NCG Parameters

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What thermophysical parameters does T2VOC use in simulating a NCG?  Are these the same parameters TMVOC would use in simulating a NCG?

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  • Seth,

    The only NCG that T2VOC includes is the pseudo-component "air", whereas TMVOC allows the user to specify multiple NCGs (including the pseudo-component "air", but air could also be modeled in TMVOC as a mixture of N2, O2, CO2, Ar, etc.). "Air" in T2VOC has the same thermophysical properties as in all the EOSs that handle air (e.g., EOS3, EOS4, EOS7, EOS7R, EOS8, EWASG,etc.). For example, its molecular weight is 28.96 g/mol, and the air heat capacity is 733.0 J/(kg C). Note that T2VOC and most other EOSs use the ideal gas law, whereas in TMVOC the gas phase is treated as a mixture of "real" (not ideal) gases.

    Hope this helps,

    Stefan

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  • Hi Stefan,

    Thank you for the reply. We know that methane is not built-in to T2VOC like air, but Is it possible to use the Edit VOC Data menu under Global Properties to specify methane in T2VOC? Or is it necessary to get TMVOC to model methane?

    Thank you.
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  • Seth,

    While I don't see any fundamental reasons why you could not treat CH4 using the CHEMP block, I will have to leave it up to you to decide whether the treatment will be adequate for your application. Note, however, that you will still carry air as another NCG in this simulation, and you lose the opportunity to account for a VOC, which also means that you won't have a NAPL phase. In a sense, you are definitely using T2VOC for a purpose for which it was not designed. Most likely (again depending on the application you have in mind), TMVOC and EOS7C(A) would be more appropriate.

    Stefan

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  • Hi Stefan,

    I'm working with Seth on the project he mentions above. I'm evaluating EOS7C and having trouble with the initial conditions options. I want to start with initially zero (or very small) methane, residual water, and N2. The User's Guide says, "The intended application area of EOS7C is natural gas (methane, CH4) reservoirs. As such, whatever part of the gas phase that is not made up of water vapor, CO2,
    or gas tracer is assumed to be made up of CH4."

    However, when I input any non-zero NCG (N2 in this case) mass fraction into the initial conditions menu, I get the following error XMOLENCG OR XMOLECH4 ARE LESS THAN ZERO IN SUBROUTINE SOLIT. CHECK INITIAL CONDITIONS TO ENSURE MASS FRACTIONS ARE WITHIN SOLUBILITY LIMITS.

    Is it just not possible to start with almost all N2 and no methane in EOS7C?

     

    Thank you,

    Amy

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  • Amy,
    I am not sure why this is happening. Can you send me your input file(s) including INCON and MESH?

    Thanks, -Curt cmoldenburg@lbl.gov
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